And I think itвЂ™s important to talk about the shape of the music industry and how the business of music has changed from physical distribution to streaming, how artists make money now. There are also specific court cases and decisions that have come down that end up affecting Olivia Rodrigo. It occurred to me that this is a pattern that has been building in the music industry. Most famously, she just added a writer credit for the band Paramore on one of the songs after some online controversy. People have claimed Olivia Rodrigo ripped off various artists and sheвЂ™s been adding writing credits to some of her songs. The album and the subsequent singles from the album have been followed by a wave of authorship controversies. It is very good.ДЄnd I encourage everybody to go listen to it. But the thing that kicked it off for me is that Olivia Rodrigo released an album called Sour.

This is going to be a really fascinating conversation.Д¬harlie and I know each other - weвЂ™ve seen each other at events over the years - and I feel like weвЂ™ve been building up to a conversation like this.

YouвЂ™re also the host of VultureвЂ™s music podcast, Switched on Pop. This transcript has been lightly edited for clarity.Д¬harlie Harding, you are a musician. WeвЂ™ve collected all of the songs we discussed in playlists on Spotify and Apple Music, and youвЂ™ll find them embedded in the transcript below. ThereвЂ™s a little bit of everything in this one, including a surprise Michael Bolton controversy. What has always fascinated me about copyright law is that in the end, itвЂ™s just a bunch of made up rules about what bits of culture you can and cannot own.Д¬harlie and I listened to a bunch of songs that were the subject of legal action, and talked through it. And second, because you can actually trace all of this back to a single lawsuit from the Marvin Gaye estate over similarities between the song вЂњBlurred LinesвЂќ by Robin Thicke, TI, and Pharrell Williams and вЂњGot To Give It UpвЂќ by Marvin Gaye. First, because thereвЂ™s a direct relationship between how artists and songwriters make money in the streaming era and this wave of pushing for credits on songs. I wanted to have Charlie on Decoder to talk about all this for two reasons. In July, she gave Taylor Swift a writing credit on a track called вЂњdeja vu,вЂќ and just recently Paramore got a credit on вЂњgood 4 u.вЂќ A lot of people made comparisons to the band Paramore.ДЄnd then, Olivia started handing out writing credits. People have said she ripped off Elvis Costello, although Elvis Costello disagreed. Courtney Love got mad about the cover art.

But then something strange started happening: a lot of people started talking about similarities between Sour and work from other, older artists. Olivia, like any good, interesting young artist, has talked a lot about her influences as sheвЂ™s promoted the album. Specifically, I wanted to understand why so many people keep coming for Olivia Rodrigo, an 18-year-old singer songwriter whose debut album Sour is one of the biggest hits of the year. I asked my friend Charlie Harding, one of the co-hosts, to come on Decoder and walk me through a particularly big change to the business of pop music thatвЂ™s come about in the streaming era. The credit came after RodrigoвЂ™s admission that the bridge for her song was inspired by SwiftвЂ™s Lover song вЂњCruel Summer.We are trying something a little different on this episode of Decoder - weвЂ™re doing a little crossover with one of my favorite podcasts, Switched on Pop, a show about how popular music is made. Earlier this year, Annie Clark, Jack Antonoff, and Taylor Swift were retroactively credited as writers of SourвЂ™s вЂњ Deja Vu,вЂќ also written by Rodrigo and Nigro. Olivia Rodrigo and Daniel Nigro are the other credited вЂњGood 4 UвЂќ songwriters. A representative for Rodrigo did not immediately reply to request for comment. Williams and Farro are the writers of ParamoreвЂ™s 2007 single вЂњMisery Business,вЂќ and fans and critics have noted similarities between the Riot! hit and RodrigoвЂ™s Sour track. Hayley Williams and former Paramore guitarist Josh Farro are now credited as songwriters of Olivia RodrigoвЂ™s вЂњ Good 4 U,вЂќ as Billboard reports. Olivia Rodrigo has given 'Good 4 U' songwriting credits to Hayley Williams and Josh Farro, the co-writers of Paramore's 2007 hit 'Misery Business'

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